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The Ipswich/Bradford Success Plan

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Onside, May 4, 2024.

  1. Onside

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    So unless a billionaire from the states comes along and takes a fancy to our strip or stadium you don’t think we have a chance of repeating Ipswich success? Its shame really as the PL could do with a clear out far too many of them are just nice and comfy.
     
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  2. Rogered Tart

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    There's always a chance but generally you need very big backers as football has become the playground of the ridiculously wealthy. Even Ryan Reynolds has admitted he'll need serious financial backing if he gets to the championship.
     
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  3. vladimir

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    Its a pity the European league dident take off Mrs O, that would of got rid of a few of em, still im convinced it will raise its head again in the near future
     
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  4. Dennis

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    It's a very slim chance given the number of owners of Championship clubs with very deep pockets who are willing to subsidise their clubs with serious dosh. It isn't just one or two clubs in this position. It's almost all of them.

    Even in League 1 that mindset is filtering down. Last season (22/23) every club (bar 1) made a loss which was funded by their owner. In some cases, the losses were incredible. Derby - £30m loss, Ipswich - £18m loss, Charlton € 10m loss. Even Portsmouth who were midtable in the loss-making league table made a loss of £3m. Only one club - Exeter - made a profit and that was only £300k. I don't know how we would expect to compete at the top end of League 1 with any of those 'bigger' or rather much better funded clubs. Their owners have a fundamentally different attitude when it comes to spending their money on their club. It may not be fair but that's reality.

    We need to get real and recognise that we aren't following in Ipswich's footsteps. It will be a tall order to even become established in the Championship; not because we don't have a Championship level following but because we don't have Championship level funding.
     
  5. Fordy117

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    That’s what we should have done and no doubt we would be a div 1 club now at least but Rupp and Spark bashed about sustainability nonsense(some fell for the bullshit) but in other words they didn’t want to spend heavy.

    Now we have a shite squad who can’t even challenge for the top.

    Meanwhile Wycombe a smaller club than us really have been brought by a billionaire.
     
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  6. Kevin1954

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    What do I and many others say , without massive investment subsidising horrendous losses it is so so difficult .

    Ipswich’s losses and near collapse was due to £80nm debt spent trying to buy their way into the Prem when owned by Marcus Evans .The equity the US owners have invested is well over £100m .
     
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    It's a dream a lot chase but few ever find. Even now Ipswich will find most of not all of that £120+ million gold at the end of the rainbow just gets eaten up by player and agent salaries. Probably have to spend a fair bit on the ground just like Huddersfield did too. Trick is to try and budget for next year and being back in the championship the season after.
     
  8. Onside

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    It is hard to see where clubs like us go. The financial pressures from the PL are making their way through every league. As posters on this thread have highlighted unless we have a billionaire in our back pocket we can’t compete. It is no longer possible for millionaires to compete. It will break a lot of clubs and would have done for Ipswich if they hadn’t been bailed out.
     
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    Absolutely spot on .
     
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    I used to believe that we were capable over time of becoming an established Championship club with better recruitment and much better management. We have a Championship size ground, a Championship size fanbase with the potential to generate Championship size revenues to sustain a Championship club. But that model has gone now as the ownership in the Championship has changed and most Championship club owners are now willing to risk £10m or €20m of their own money each year in pursuit of a place in the land of milk and honey aka the Premier League. I doubt that we'll ever be able to compete in that world.

    I'm setting my sights lower now.
     
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  11. Kevin1954

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    That’s what Norwich and Southampton do. One or two seasons of Sky Prem riches subsidise two seasons trying to get promoted back up to get a repeat pay off and so the cycle and gravy train continues !.
     
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    Well let's hope one of them get back again this year. Lol
     
  13. Kevin1954

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    Correct . If the cycle breaks the debt increases when the prem money runs out until a) Thry get into trouble or b) Delia has to dip into her pile and sell more books as an example .
    She pops it and bang!
     
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    The much repeated mantra of a CEO ‘who knows football’ and a billionaire owner(net worth of US$1.9 billion), haven’t propelled the club, which anchored in at 20th in the final League Two table, forward. Slowly imploding, as they have been superseded by Wrexham as the media ‘pin up’ team.
     
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    Yeah I really think we've missed out now.

    We have spent too long in the doldrums and short of a ridiculously rich owner, our chance to become established as a meaningful Championship club has likely gone.
     
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    As stated Wycombe have just been brought by a billionaire.

    However, billionaire’s like to see assets and at this moment we own nothing. No training ground, no stadium and with FFP rules about generating income to spend then we are not helping ourselves.

    As a club we are going backwards and that’s down to Rupp & Sparks. End of,
     
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  17. Storck

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    Do Wycombe own their ground and training ground or do they still lease it from the Trust set up to make sure it was never sold off?
     
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    They recently bought Readings training ground
     
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    The problem is that a £20m/£30m gamble each season at having a go at getting to the PL is not that much to a lot of rich Championship onwers, most have them will have several other successful businesses that plug that gap easily to fund their hobby.
     
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  20. Storck

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    no they didnt as they wouldn’t have been allowed to train there
     

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